Diana Jones has long written empathic songs for the historically displaced and abandoned - and her current sensitive release, SONG TO A REFUGEE, is devoted to the contemporary plight of people and the real issues of today.
This is the New York-based Diana’s eighth album. Adopted and raised in the Big Apple, she was unlike most teenagers who were drawn to commercial music. Instead, she had a passion for country music and explored the work of artists such as Johnny Cash, Patsy Cline and Dolly Parton.
Her inclination towards this musical style was explained and consolidated when she was reunited with her birth family in eastern Tennessee and learned that her grandfather was a singer who had played in a band with Chet Atkins.
We spoke recently via Zoom with this most affable of singer songwriters about the album. She explained, quite emotionally at times, its history and her delight to be able to contribute in her own way to highlighting the plight of refugees and asylum seekers in the 21st century.
Congratulations on SONG TO A REFUGEE. You must be delighted with the positive response it continues to generate. After you’ve done the spadework and got your music out there, are you generally anxious as to how it will be received?
I was especially with this record. There was this road that I followed after I found my grandfather’s family of exploring the music of the Appalachians and also the music of England, Ireland and Scotland, and the roots of where that music came from. I’d finished that cycle and I wasn’t sure what I was going to do next. Everything just happened in 2018, with the borders and also with the horrible situation with our Government, everything seemed to be getting worse and worse. It was a response to all that and a bit of a departure, simply a reaction on my part. When I looked at the songs after I wrote them, the songs were what they were, there was no way that I tried to make them anything but the stories that they told. So, I think after all that I wasn’t necessarily worried, more curious, because they are political from my perspective and I also think the songs are immediate. I’ve written songs before about social justice but they were about people that had died two hundred years ago (laughs). These songs are about what is actually happening. There’s a kid in a cage with his brother. I was so devastated. It’s not that I wanted to feel better by writing the songs. I just wanted to give respect to the humans that this was happening to.
You managed to suppress your anger in the manner that you deliver the songs on the album. Was that difficult?
(LONG PAUSE) I was angry for sure. There were times when I cried myself to sleep that summer. I suppose a lot of people did the same at the sheer inhumanity of what was happening in our country. It’s about how I approach writing and when a song excites me. When I get into a character, the story becomes about them and my anger does not become part of it, I get freed of it in a way.
Think about a woman coming in from Guatemala with her child and how it must feel like to be that terrified that you would walk for months to a border. On some level she trusted that things would be better because she did that so her child would not die. She must have been traumatised on every step of that journey.
How did your chance encounter with Emma Thompson influence the direction of the album? Had you got the concept for the album prior to meeting her?
To meet someone like Emma Thompson, that you admire so much was amazing. She has such a beautiful light inside of her and she is such a humanitarian and that’s where our paths met, and I got the inspiration to follow that path.
I had just come back from the U.K. having been on tour for my live album. I hadn’t been writing a lot and became ill due to a gas leak in my apartment. I was just getting around to thinking what I would do next. As a touring artist, when tours are over and records are finished, it’s like you reinvent yourself. Anything is possible at the moment and I thought, maybe I’ll do something different. Funnily, I had been watching YouTube videos of Emma, because the way she talks about writing is so amazing to me. I’ve always been a fan of hers, particularly as a writer and a generator of context. So, to see her in my local park was kind of miraculous. We had a lovely encounter and when I told her what I did she said we must go and listen to some music sometime. I went off on tour and she was staying in that area, close to where I live, doing a movie. I came back from tour and the first day I was back I did one of those prayers where I don’t know who I’m praying to, but I was asking for a small sign of what to do next. The refugee situation had always been something that I’ve been concerned about, most people that have a heart would be. So that concept came to me, and I actually ran into Emma that day and we ended up having a two-hour lunch. We spoke a lot about the refugee situation. Emma is President of the Helen Bamber Foundation and she said that I must go to the website and listen to the stories of some of the asylum seekers and refugees. One of the stories was about a woman from Sudan who left her country for the U.K. and had to send for her children, when she got asylum. It was a terrible situation. She told the story of being in the detention centre and how much she missed and loved her children. It nearly broke my heart and I literally sat down that afternoon and wrote I Wait For You. A couple of days later I sent it to Emma, we talked about it and she suggested it could be the start of a song cycle. I thought it would be a great idea. We then talked about possibly doing interviews in England with victims. Literally within a few weeks everything started happening in America with the borders and the stories were coming in so fast that the songs just came to me. I had done some interviews and one of the songs I had written, The Life I Left Behind, was about a friend of mine, who has since passed away and had come to America from Syria when she was seven.
Over what period of time was the album completed?
So, I met Emma in May. Started the writing in June, finished the writing in September. I then thought of who I wanted to work with on the album. I had met David Mansfield through a friend and realised that he wrote the score for a movie called Songcatcher, that his wife Maggie Greenwald directed. I actually had the music from the film on my phone, that’s how much I loved the guy’s work. When I met him, we both spoke of how we loved each other’s work. A few years later and I’m walking down the street with my dog and I actually bumped into him. I told him how I’d love to work the album with him and he actually had the time available in a few weeks. So, I sent him the songs and we talked about producing it together. The Songcatcher connection was funny, because I felt like I was literally catching everything I needed for the album. Everything about this record just seemed to happen! After the record was nearly done, I realised that Richard Thompson was only two towns away. He showed up in his shorts and little hat and put some vocals and guitar on the recording. When we were finished with everything, I wrote We Believe You and we thought it should feature on the album. I also thought it should be something that that people I admire should join me on.
So, you approached Peggy Seeger and Steve Earle to sing a chorus on that song?
Yes. Peggy is the closest thing that I’ve had to a mentor. I’ve spent a lot of time with her over the years and always make time to spend a few days in Oxford with Peggy when I’m in the U.K. I met her some years ago when I opened for her and she’s the most gracious and lovely person. I connected with her instantly and she’s a person I never want to let go as a friend. I had always wanted to do some sort of project with her, which we were not previously able to pull off in real time. This was the mother verse for Peggy to sing. I love Richard (Thompson), he had let me tour with him and he has introduced me to his audiences. Steve (Earle) had produced an album for Joan Baez with one of my songs on it. We’ve done some television together and got to know one another and so I thought of him to also sing a verse. Everyone was so gracious to say yes.
David Mansfield was an inspired choice as both a producer and musician. His Curriculum Vitae can boast working with Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, Lucinda Williams, T Bone Burnett and Dwight Yoakam, to name but a few. Having self-produced previously how did sharing the production duties work on this occasion?
I always think of production as a joint effort anyway, I could not work with someone who wasn’t open to my ideas. I’ve never worked with anyone that I didn’t trust. I had an input at stages but I trusted David’s musical ideas and instincts. There were times when I would leave things up to him and others times when he would put a few parts on and we would choose which path to use.
With limited opportunities to perform live in New York, how do you intend working the album?
Nothing is happening here in terms of live performances. What I have been hoping to do based on my idea about this record is interesting. When I was booked to play any city, in the middle of the set, we were going to invite someone in to talk about the local refugees. So, if people at the show were moved by the songs, they would have a particular person as a reference, which might lead them to the Hearts And Homes For Refugees website, if they wanted to volunteer or even donate. One of the things I felt myself was that I was so helpless. I wondered what I could give, so my contribution was to write the stories about these real people. I started doing shows that way and It was so powerful and started a conversation between myself, the audience and the point person. People got involved immediately and were asking how they could help these families in their community, because it was very grass roots. It just made me feel so happy. I do what I can do, but if it helps to start a conversation and connections, that’s magic. But then unfortunately everything shut down with the pandemic. Hearts and Homes then called me and asked me if I’d be interested in doing an online benefit. I said sure and I contacted Richard (Thompson) who had recorded his song called A Heart Needs A Home, which was perfect given that it was a Hearts and Homes project. I did my own sets, I actually recorded them with my iPhone! We put it together, sent it to them - you can find the show on YouTube - and it raised $10,000, which is a lot more than I could raise at a live show. When Hearts and Homes got the money, they bought food cards to feed families and buy furniture that very night, it was that immediate. What we are thinking about now is doing more benefits like that, particularly in places like say Australia, where people know my music but I’ve never got to perform there. That’s the plan right now since I can’t play live at the moment and I’d like these songs to be heard as much as possible.
One of the things that has interested me is what the people who work with refugees have told me. It is also traumatising for those workers and many have thanked me for putting words to feelings they have but have not always been able to express. It’s very nice to know that it’s helpful for them also.
Had you considered delaying the release of the album?
March was the first idea we had for release and had a tour arrange for April and May, along with festival dates that were coming in. It was really exciting but then everything shut down and we had to regroup and see if we could re-book later dates in the U.K. for November, which also got cancelled. So, we decided to go ahead for the September release. With the release and the positive press and the momentum the album was getting it’s a pity that I can’t tour, but I do think this record will do other things, particularly with the chance to involve refugee organisations.
With time on your hands at present, have you been putting it to good use?
I’ve actually written a new record. I’ve a new toy, a pandemic toy. For the first time I’ve actually got a great microphone and I can record myself. It’s maybe not studio quality but it’s good enough. I’ve written nine songs so far and David (Mansfield) and myself might work on them together at some point. I’ve worked on a few other songs like I Can’t Breathe, that I wrote a few years ago. There are some moments when I do feel a bit uninspired, but I do have a few things on the back burner.
Globally we seem to be at a tipping point politically and emotionally at present. What are your hopes or, more realistically, your expectations looking back at 2020 in twelve months’ time?
My dearest wish and hope are that Biden is our president and that the exchange of power is handed over peacefully. There are just so many things that might happen now. I just think we can get someone elected that’s not a narcissist and a fascist, and can lead us in some way. What has happened with the death toll due to the pandemic is unforgivable. We simply need a leader on a very basic level. Someone that can simply say: ‘Wear a mask, it’s for your neighbour, your neighbour’s grandparents, it’s for all of us.’
Interview by Declan Culliton